Monday, July 8, 2013

Darker than Black Hei's Dagger Replica Project

Metal Version Rev 2.5 + Sheath

Blade:  440C stainless steel, hardened, sharpened
Handle:  6061 aluminium, black anodized
Sheath:  3D printed (SLS) polyamide, spray-painted black

Rev 2.5 incorporates some minor feedback I had for my supplier on Rev 2; the core design remains the same.

This is an extra that I'm considering selling for around $400.  Just shoot me an email or something if you're interested in purchasing it.

This is probably the only blade that I'll make available for sale to the general public, and one of only four that I've had made so far.

Note that the tip on this particular blade didn't end up quite as sharp as the other blades I received.  It's still very pointy though.

My Shapeways Shop:  You can order a Nylon 12 / Polyamide 3D print here - this is my recommended material for the prop version thus far - note that you will need to sand and paint the part yourself which takes some skill.  (It seems that recently as of 7/8/2013 Shapeways is starting to refuse to print the actual dagger itself since it looks like a weapon even though they've printed it for me before.  You may need to take the model to another printer if you want one.)
My eBay Items:  I've currently sold all of the extra prop versions that I had laying around, but if I get additional requests I may get some more to list up here.

Project Overview
Not to be satisfied with other creations I've seen online, I set out to model Hei's dagger from Darker than Black with CAD so that I could have it accurately fabricated for me and easily reproducible.

Here's a rendering of the model I made - I used various screenshots and scans from the series as reference to make it look as authentic as possible.  The layouts that Volphin provides on his website were also a big help, though I did not follow them exactly and you can see the profile in my rendering is a bit different.
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I am making a prop version that would be safe for bringing to events as well as a battle-ready metal version that Hei himself could use.  I've made the prop version an open design and anyone who wants it can download the model in .stl format at my shapeways shop.  If you want it in another CAD format shoot me an email and I can export it for you.

The metal version I made more or less exclusively for myself but if there are about 5-10 people that can commit to purchasing I could potentially make a batch order with my machinist.

Please post any thoughts you have in the comments below!

Metal Version Rev.1
I commissioned Burdett Metalsmithing & Design to fabricate a battle-ready replica of this dagger with a 1095 high carbon steel blade and 6061 aluminum handle.  The dagger is fairly well balanced with a balance point within 1" of the guard.

As depicted here the metal version consists of three pieces held together by cleverly hidden flush rivets rather than being made of a single piece like the prop version.
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The outer profile of the blade is first water jet cut from a sheet of 1095 carbon steel based on my provided CAD files and the bladesmith does his work to take care of the rest.  A similar approach is taken with the two handle halves.

The fabrication process for the metal version is quite involved and Burdett has provided me with step-by-step pictures of the process so we can see how it's done.  I have these posted below:
Yangorang's Battle-Ready Metal Version album on Photobucket
Video Overview:  http://youtu.be/9OgEA-62LFc

I think that overall everything turned out fairly well. A better job could've been done with the powder coat masking as it looks a little bit sloppy around the transition from the blade to guard/handle; there is a slight bit of warping right around the tip of the blade as well due to the hardening process.  Note that I mis-estimated the scaling on this first run so the overall length is a whopping 20".


Metal Version Rev.2
I worked with QB Precision Technology Ltd. to create a Rev.2 part.   The handle halves are CNC milled out of 6061 Aluminum and anodized black; the blade is CNC milled out of 440C stainless steel and then hardened and sharpened.  Overall length is 16" and the assembly is glued together with strong metal glue.  This is obviously not as secure as using rivets, but this way you don't have to worry about hiding rivets and masking powder coating.  Overall weight is almost exactly 1 pound and it feels fairly hefty in hand.

I was pretty happy with the prototype unit and there are only a few minor issues which I would tell them to deal with if I ever decide to make a batch run.  I've posted plenty of pictures in the gallery below:
Yangorang's Metal Version Rev2 album on Photobucket
Video Overview:  http://youtu.be/VQf9u-QfsY0

I could potentially make a small batch of 5-10 if there is interest, but so far I haven't seen much since the price for custom work like this is fairly high.  I would need people to commit to actually buying it before making the initial investment for the batch production.


Prop Version
I looked into various fabrication techniques to see what yields the best results at a reasonable price for this version.  The prop version can either be made of a single piece or out of a three-piece assembly like the metal version.  The single piece is more economical but ends up being a bit harder to paint since masking various parts of it is fairly tricky.

The latest .STL file are always available for download at my Shapeways shop and you are free to do with it as you please.  Listed below are some of the fabrication techniques that I have or am currently looking into for this project:

Polyamide/Nylon 12 3D Printing [Selective Laser Sintering]
-Excellent durability; good flexibility prevents it from snapping under stress
-Rough surface requires heavy sanding and primer before painting
-Visible build layering effect throughout part
-Long and thin parts such as this one can potentially end up slightly warped
-One of the cheapest 3D printing materials

Video Overview:  http://youtu.be/UwZr99qxrCU

Polyamide is not as premium feeling as paintable resin and has a sandy/porous surface texture due to the laser sintering process but it's easier to post-finish and paint than 3D printed ABS.  It's durability and flexibility is comparable to that of paintable resin, and its pricing is fairly reasonable.

The full scale 3D print from Shapeways that I received looks fairly good but has a few visible defects on one side of the part. (due to removal of support material most likely)  The part durability is also very good though the porous surface poses a bit of a problem.  Paint applied directly to the part tends to get "bubbly" due to air being trapped in the porous surface.  I would recommend using a fairly thick sanded primer layer as a smooth painting surface if you want good painting results.  I neglected to do this on my prototype so it doesn't look that great.

Paintable Resin 3D Printing [Stereolithography]
-Excellent surface quality enables painting without much post-finishing
-Fairly rigid but can be snapped fairly easily when bent too much
-Visible build layering effect throughout part
-Too expensive even when produced in batches

Below are images of a 70% scale paintable resin 3D print I ordered from i.materialise along with a 35% scale prime gray 3D print just for kicks.

Video Overview:  http://youtu.be/Mjy07LSsJnU

My inexperience and lack of patience when it comes to painting things shows here; most of you guys can probably do a better job than I did.  I think the results are fairly good though given my lack of professional equipment and experience.

The properties of paintable resin make it almost perfect for the target application.   The surface quality / paintability make it possible to achieve a very good appearance.  The generated part is also fairly durable and its slight flexibility helps it withstand some minor abuse.  The density and feel of the material is just about right for a prop as well.

Unfortunately it is also far too expensive for the target application, and I also snapped the blade cleanly off of one when playing with it just after unboxing.

Resin Casting
-High part accuracy
-Excellent surface quality
-Mold requires high initial investment (~$600USD) but low price per part afterwards
-Slight shrinkage

This process would yield better surface quality and part accuracy than most 3D printing technologies at a lower unit price.  Unfortunately at the moment I'm not really willing to put in the initial investment to make a mold of this part, but it may be something I could consider in the future if there is the demand. (which I'm not seeing)

Here's a picture of the part I would use as the master for mold making.  It was CNC milled for me out of ABS plastic by QBPrecision Technology Ltd.

The copies would probably be cast out of something like Smooth-Cast 305 or TASK 3 resin from Smooth-On.  Resin casting is commonly used by prop makers so it's a tried and true technique and there are quite a few mold makers that could do the job for me as well.


Wrap-Up
So there you have it - a full project log of everything I've done and all of my findings undertaking this project.  I'm more or less done with it at this point as I'm happy with my current metal dagger and have already sold all of my 3D printed prototypes on eBay.  If I ever find enough people to make a batch run of metal daggers I'd be happy to do so, but other than that I don't really plan to do anything else with this project.  Thanks for reading!

10 comments:

  1. Hi i was wondering if youre just going to make the plans and details for the plastic ver. open to all when they are complete and if it was possible to commission you to make a finished pair (if so what would the cost be?)
    email: www.enigma213@yahoo.com (the entire thing is the email)

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    1. Basically - yes - I plan to make an .STL file available for download once I have everything finalized. This would contain all the necessary information about the geometry of the part in one solid and enable you to fabricate it via a 3D printing process of your choice with ease.

      I am still working on getting quotes from various places and I will be keeping this post updated with my progress, but I hope to complete this project by the end of the year.

      I do not plan on making fully finished parts for sale at the moment as I simply don't have the time to do so, but I can definitely make unfinished/unpainted parts available to people. (you'd need to sand and spraypaint yourself)

      For now the only fabrication process I have tryed out is paintable resin via 3D printing (Stereolithography process). I know that the paintable resin material works fairly well and has more or less all of the properties I'd be looking for but at $220 per 100% scale part it simply costs too much to be practical in my opinion.

      A 3D print out of polyamide/Nylon 12 (selective laser sintering) costs around $130 and from my material samples I believe that this should work fairly well for the price. I plan to place an order for a 100% scale print out of this material sometime soon to make sure that the process is suitable for this part.

      Just for your reference the metal version costs well over $400 to make, so yea I've been cutting into my bank account quite a bit for this project.

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  2. This is the first time I've been to your site. Thnx for posting more details.
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  3. Have you considered taking the 3D prints and replicating it using the mold/cast method? Casting resin is comparatively cheaper than 3D printing. That way, you'll only be dealing with a large one-time cost through the 3D printing and mold making process. The cost of reproducing copies after that will be lower.

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    1. This is what I'm looking into right now actually - I think I should be able to use the metal version or one of my 3D prints as the original for a mold and then crank out copies for an incredibly low cost. I may end up hiring a prop maker to do this for me so he could do the painting and all that as well.

      The thing is I'm not sure if there's enough interested people for me to warrant going out and making a batch.

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    2. You could do a kickstarter project to gauge interest and gather funds upfront instead of hoping to get paid back after committing capital to full scale production.

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    3. I have definitely considered making a posting in the Kickstarter design section but the issue is that they strictly forbid "Firearms, weapons, and knives" so I'm not sure if the prop version of this thing would fall under that category or not. I'll probably shoot them an email about that at some point - I just want to nail down the fabrication processes at this point.

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  4. <-< nice i was planing on cosplaying whit this but its to expensive to buy. but since i go to a industry school whit the latest industry cnc machines i could ask someone to make it for me o-o thou id like to know if it was possible for you to provide me whit the bluprints so to speak. would make it a whole lot easier than to try from scrach. email: gustaf.frejd@hotmail.com

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  5. Hey man, totally awesome job. Any chance you could send me a copy of the .SDL file? I'm planning on making its manually and my student copy of Solidworks can't open the CNC .STL file. If you can, could you send me a copy at eoin.m.hoey@gmail. Cheers man

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    1. Here's the single and multi piece versions exported to a few different formats:
      https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=6B810BCBB9BAE240!69103&authkey=!AMlcNFlbKwsr-tM
      https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=6B810BCBB9BAE240!69104&authkey=!AKyb8GfjxOE8FcE

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